SM
Stella M
1 reviews | Active since May 2016
02 Apr 2019, 09:42
Should have heeded the bad reviews!!!
I bought a Hyundai 120 on 23 March 2019 at the JHB South branch from Koketso Mashilane. Only 7 working days later our mechanic lets me know there are so many problems with the vehicle it is not even worth keeping. The issues include loose steering rack, faulty compressor and cylinder and heating system among other things. And now webuycars wants me to sell the car back to them at less than the R93000 i paid them in cash? I want my money back and i want it back now. We have a letter from the mechanic stating that the car is not worth keeping and in line with the CPA i am entitled to return the car if it is not fit for the purpose it was bought for.
Helpful (0)
Replies (4)0
Replies (4)Webuycars.co.za's replyOfficial
02 Apr 2019, 11:37Good afternoon Estelle, I apologize for the inconvenience caused. I have given you cellphone number to one of our senior sales managers. He should be in contact with you within the next day.
Webuycars.co.za's reply02 Apr 2019, 11:37
Official
Good afternoon Estelle, I apologize for the inconvenience caused. I have given you cellphone number to one of our senior sales managers. He should be in contact with you within the next day.
SM
Stella M's updateReviewer Update
03 Apr 2019, 10:28Second hand car dealers and the CPA
What happens if the second-hand car that I just bought turns out to be defective?
You need to distinguish between a private sale (where you buy from someone who does not sell cars every day) and a motor dealer who sells cars in the ordinary course of business.
If you buy a car from a private seller, only the common law will assist and you can’t rely on the Consumer Protection Act (CPA) for help. The protection that you enjoy under the common law is the subject of another article. In short, when you buy something, there is an imp**** warrantee that the thing sold is free from any defects. It is, however, possible that one can contract out of this imp**** warranty by inserting a term into the contract that says that the sale is voetstoots (that you buy the goods “as is” [warts and all] and cannot rely on the imp**** right to defect-free goods and complain later if you find certain defects in the goods).
In the context of buying a second-hand car:
The CPA applies to consumers and suppliers of goods;
A consumer, is a person who has entered into a transaction with a supplier in the ordinary course of the supplier’s business, to buy a second-hand car;
A supplier is a person who supplies second-hand cars in the ordinary course of his business;
The CPA contains certain prohibited provisions that prevent a motor dealer from entering into a sale agreement with a consumer that contains provisions that:
defeats the purposes and policy of the CPA;
directly or indirectly waives or deprives a consumer of a right entrenched in the CPA;
avoids a supplier’s duty in terms of the CPA;
sets aside or overrides the effect of any provision contained in the CPA;
limits or exempts a supplier of goods or services from liability for any loss attributable to the supplier’s gross negligence.
The regulations to the CPA provides that a term that that excludes or restricts the consumer’s rights or remedies against the supplier, or limits the supplier’s obligation to honour his or her obligations, shall be presumed to be unfair and unreasonable;
The CPA contains an Imp**** Warrantee of Quality that in any transaction or agreement pertaining to the supply of goods to a consumer:
There is an imp**** provision that the producer or importer, the distributor and the retailer each warrant that the car is safe and of good quality;
The imp**** warranty is in addition to any other imp**** warranty imposed by the common law or any other public regulation as well as any express warranty or condition that the consumer has in respect of the goods;
This warranty is valid for a period of six months. The six-month period is calculated from the date of delivery of the car to the consumer. During this period, the consumer may return the defective car without penalty and at the supplier’s risk and expense.
When a consumer relies upon the imp**** warranty of quality when returning the car, the consumer has the election as to whether the supplier must repair or replace the car, or whether the supplier should merely refund the consumer the price paid for the car.
If the consumer elects that the dealer must repair the car, if within three months of repair the failure or defect is not remedied or another failure or defect arises, the supplier must replace the car or refund the consumer the price paid by the consumer for the car.
The imp**** warranty entrenched in the CPA is in addition to any other imp**** warranty or condition imposed by the common law or any other public regulation, and, is in addition to any express warranty or condition given by the producer or importer, distributor or retailer.
Car dealers think that they can get out of their obligations under the CPA merely by getting the buyer to sign a contract containing a voetstoots clause. This is wrong.
The only way that dealers can get past the imp**** warranty is by advising the consumer that the car is being offered in a certain condition. The consumer must then agree to accept the goods in that particular condition. E.g. a motor dealer should explain that the beat-up Volksie is not new, point out the obvious and not-so-obvious defects and if the consumer accepts this, then the sale would be as-is.
The dealer should describe the condition of the goods in specific detail to make it clear in which condition the car is being sold. The buyer then must “expressly agree” to accept the goods. Only if the buyer “knowingly acted in a manner consistent with accepting goods in (a less than ideal) condition” would the imp**** warranty of quality fall away. Every defect must be described in the contract of sale that the buyer signs.
SM
Stella M's update03 Apr 2019, 10:28
Reviewer Update
Second hand car dealers and the CPA
What happens if the second-hand car that I just bought turns out to be defective?
You need to distinguish between a private sale (where you buy from someone who does not sell cars every day) and a motor dealer who sells cars in the ordinary course of business.
If you buy a car from a private seller, only the common law will assist and you can’t rely on the Consumer Protection Act (CPA) for help. The protection that you enjoy under the common law is the subject of another article. In short, when you buy something, there is an imp**** warrantee that the thing sold is free from any defects. It is, however, possible that one can contract out of this imp**** warranty by inserting a term into the contract that says that the sale is voetstoots (that you buy the goods “as is” [warts and all] and cannot rely on the imp**** right to defect-free goods and complain later if you find certain defects in the goods).
In the context of buying a second-hand car:
The CPA applies to consumers and suppliers of goods;
A consumer, is a person who has entered into a transaction with a supplier in the ordinary course of the supplier’s business, to buy a second-hand car;
A supplier is a person who supplies second-hand cars in the ordinary course of his business;
The CPA contains certain prohibited provisions that prevent a motor dealer from entering into a sale agreement with a consumer that contains provisions that:
defeats the purposes and policy of the CPA;
directly or indirectly waives or deprives a consumer of a right entrenched in the CPA;
avoids a supplier’s duty in terms of the CPA;
sets aside or overrides the effect of any provision contained in the CPA;
limits or exempts a supplier of goods or services from liability for any loss attributable to the supplier’s gross negligence.
The regulations to the CPA provides that a term that that excludes or restricts the consumer’s rights or remedies against the supplier, or limits the supplier’s obligation to honour his or her obligations, shall be presumed to be unfair and unreasonable;
The CPA contains an Imp**** Warrantee of Quality that in any transaction or agreement pertaining to the supply of goods to a consumer:
There is an imp**** provision that the producer or importer, the distributor and the retailer each warrant that the car is safe and of good quality;
The imp**** warranty is in addition to any other imp**** warranty imposed by the common law or any other public regulation as well as any express warranty or condition that the consumer has in respect of the goods;
This warranty is valid for a period of six months. The six-month period is calculated from the date of delivery of the car to the consumer. During this period, the consumer may return the defective car without penalty and at the supplier’s risk and expense.
When a consumer relies upon the imp**** warranty of quality when returning the car, the consumer has the election as to whether the supplier must repair or replace the car, or whether the supplier should merely refund the consumer the price paid for the car.
If the consumer elects that the dealer must repair the car, if within three months of repair the failure or defect is not remedied or another failure or defect arises, the supplier must replace the car or refund the consumer the price paid by the consumer for the car.
The imp**** warranty entrenched in the CPA is in addition to any other imp**** warranty or condition imposed by the common law or any other public regulation, and, is in addition to any express warranty or condition given by the producer or importer, distributor or retailer.
Car dealers think that they can get out of their obligations under the CPA merely by getting the buyer to sign a contract containing a voetstoots clause. This is wrong.
The only way that dealers can get past the imp**** warranty is by advising the consumer that the car is being offered in a certain condition. The consumer must then agree to accept the goods in that particular condition. E.g. a motor dealer should explain that the beat-up Volksie is not new, point out the obvious and not-so-obvious defects and if the consumer accepts this, then the sale would be as-is.
The dealer should describe the condition of the goods in specific detail to make it clear in which condition the car is being sold. The buyer then must “expressly agree” to accept the goods. Only if the buyer “knowingly acted in a manner consistent with accepting goods in (a less than ideal) condition” would the imp**** warranty of quality fall away. Every defect must be described in the contract of sale that the buyer signs.
SM
Stella M's updateReviewer Update
09 Apr 2019, 22:17Very disappointed. Even more so now than when i wrote the original review. The Head of Sales asked us to go see him which we did this past Saturday. He got an 'independent workshop' to check my car and the guy came back saying there is nothing wrong with the car other than the aircon compressor. I asked for a formal report which i still havent received. Asked the Head of Sales to assist and still nothing. The car is not 100% and the gearbox is now sounding bad. I am just very disappointed altogether with this experience and the fact that people at Webuycars just humour us and have no intention of helping us. I will now let Miosa carry on the case that I luckily opened last week and take it from there.
SM
Stella M's update09 Apr 2019, 22:17
Reviewer Update
Very disappointed. Even more so now than when i wrote the original review. The Head of Sales asked us to go see him which we did this past Saturday. He got an 'independent workshop' to check my car and the guy came back saying there is nothing wrong with the car other than the aircon compressor. I asked for a formal report which i still havent received. Asked the Head of Sales to assist and still nothing. The car is not 100% and the gearbox is now sounding bad. I am just very disappointed altogether with this experience and the fact that people at Webuycars just humour us and have no intention of helping us. I will now let Miosa carry on the case that I luckily opened last week and take it from there.
Webuycars.co.za's replyOfficial
10 Apr 2019, 15:31Hi Estelle,
I have discussed your situation with management and we have come to a conclusion.
We have tried contacting you today, but cannot get hold of you.
Could you please make contact with Callan, our branch manager?
Kind Regards
I have discussed your situation with management and we have come to a conclusion.
We have tried contacting you today, but cannot get hold of you.
Could you please make contact with Callan, our branch manager?
Kind Regards
Webuycars.co.za's reply10 Apr 2019, 15:31
Official
Hi Estelle,
I have discussed your situation with management and we have come to a conclusion.
We have tried contacting you today, but cannot get hold of you.
Could you please make contact with Callan, our branch manager?
Kind Regards
I have discussed your situation with management and we have come to a conclusion.
We have tried contacting you today, but cannot get hold of you.
Could you please make contact with Callan, our branch manager?
Kind Regards
