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Istvan B

1 reviews | Active since Feb 2018

12 Feb 2018, 16:34

Pathetic service and unprecedented incompetency

The rating of a single star is dramatically overstated for the pathetic service stanlib (yes with small letter best suits their values) offers to their customers, the level of incompetency and the ignorance towards customer needs is unheard of and unprecedented in the financial service industry or in any other fields for that matter.

Correspondence and deadlines are not existing and if you are lucky enough to score an e-mail after a turnaround time that is unheard of, it for sure will come without a signature, name and contact details of any responsible person. There is no accountability taken by anyone and their dealings are unprofessional in every single way.

I am lucky enough that I only dealt with this "brand" for a single year as my financial broker talked me into their "services" of RA and when I still believed it was possibly beneficial for me a few years back. As it turned out my broker likely to benefited much more out of the deal than myself, ever. It is not about the amount invested into a portfolio that stanlib managed, it is more about the principles around the regulations that stanlib cannot possibly ignore without consequences.

Customer services are non-existent, never mind customer experience. They don't give a damn of what a paying customer thinks or needs.

I have left SA for good and emigrated back to the country of my origin, which is one of the conditions listed under the legal withdrawal of invested funds into an RA policy. Knowing the long processing times when someone is due for a refund, we launched the process and sent instructions for the withdrawal back in Sep 2017. My broker never in 3 months had a joy of even getting a meaningful response. I took over from my financial adviser and contacted stanlib directly in Dec 2017. After an endless chain of emails originated from me I have never received a single personalized message or a phone call from any officials, account manager, operations manager, customer service manager or compliance manager to date.

Besides the automated messages in which they recognize the receipt of my queries and guarantee a 24 hour turnaround time for feedback (what a laughing matter)I only received a single e-mail signed by an official named Ingrid Marsha Naidoo - Complaints Resolution Manager (what a promising title and what another laughing matter) in which this lady has the decency to inquire about the name and contact details of my financial broker and which information should be readily available for stanlib based on the policy number what I used in all my correspondence as reference. So all this after 5 and a half months into the matter.

Once again the instruction for the withdrawal was submitted in Sep 2017 through the specified channels. On the Instruction form the Business cut off time in case of full withdrawal is maximized in 8 business days by when the sums should reflect on the customer's account (so many laughing matters I lost count).

To make the matter sweeter as a non-resident to SA all my SA bank accounts have been closed at the time of my departure from the Republic on 24 Jan 2018. I wonder if this now will serve stanlib with another excuse to delay the payment even further, regardless that it is due to their own negligence and non-compliance and unprecedented incompetency.

At the time of this review the complaint will be submitted to the office of the ombudsman. I have spent 10 years in SA in senior managerial positions with a luxury retail brand and therefore I have high level connections with influencing social and other media representatives, and this matter will be brought to not only their attention but to international media as well. This joke of a financial institution will then be provided with a fair opportunity to express their views concerning this matter.

The amount due back to me is a fracture of what this financial organization spends on a half a minute TV commercial in which they convince future customers to invest with them and about their fair, professional and competent dealings in securing your financial future. Will be definitely beneficial to see footage about this matter before and after such commercials are aired for a fortune and have all that effort and money wasted for a small amount that stanlib wouldn't even feel, not to mention that this is MY MONEY.

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Istvan B's update13 Feb 2018, 01:14
Reviewer Update
A response from Stanlib official who didn't have the decency to reply on social media: Dear Mr Brem, Thank you for bringing your frustration to our attention. I have had an initial review of your investment issue and realise that it pertains to whether the SARB (SA Reserve Bank) will permit you to withdraw your retirement investment and pay the funds to your bank account in your country of origin. The original regulation was specifically written in favour of SA citizens wishing to emigrate from South Africa. I cannot provide you with an immediate answer – the issue has already been escalated to our senior legal team. Please allow us to review this thoroughly before we can recommend a course of action to you. We do realise the time already lapsed and so will get back to you as quickly as possible. Kind regards BARBARA EGAN Middle Office║Legal, Risk & Compliance║ ********** ║ ********** 510 (fax) ║ ********** ║
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Istvan B's update13 Feb 2018, 01:17
Reviewer Update
Dear Barbara Egan, I don't feel the need to express my gratitude to you for finally getting back to me after a half a year. However I feel the need to let you know that none of the actions described in my e-mail to you are put on hold as the result of your long overdue and meaningless response. Nevertheless I would appreciate if you just could explain the 1st pharagraph of your response in slightly more details please, "it pertains to whether the SARB (SA Reserve Bank) will permit you to withdraw your retirement investment and pay the funds to your bank account in your country of origin" Can you please explain whether or not it could have been avoided if you as a company would've acted in a timely manner when my withdrawal instructions were submitted on 1 Sep 2017? I had an SA bank account with FNB from my arrival to SA on 4 Feb 2008 until my departure on 24 Jan 2018. Maybe your more detailed initial review of the matter at hand could have avoided such redicilous statement. I would appreciate if you could shed some lights in regards to investors of SA residency under your following point of "The original regulation was specifically written in favour of SA citizens wishing to emigrate from South Africa." Does it mean that SA resident investors will not be eligible to get their funds back on the occasion of emigration from SA? In conclusion, I appreciate that you finally realize the time has already lapsed and I urge you to get to your conclusion before some serious harm to your brand image is irreversibly done. I don't care if you personally deliver my investments plus interest for the period in a chocolate box in cash, as far as I can finally get rid of your *********** and ridiculous brand please. Please note that this correspondence will be also posted on all social media without change for your further comments. Yours,
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STANLIB's reply13 Feb 2018, 14:05
Official

Dear Istvan Brem,

Thank you for bringing your dissatisfaction to our immediate attention. The reason for my not responding on the public forum was that we like to be sure of all the details of a case before jumping to just any conclusion.

We do understand that we have not been efficient in contacting you directly - our path has been as per arrangement with your Priority broker, through your financial planner. When this avenue did not yield the results we sought, we should have circumvented your broker and approached you directly. We will provide the necessary training to ensure this does happen automatically going forwards.

My legal team did respond with the following:

In terms of the Taxation Laws Amendment Act No. 15 of 2016 (as it currently stands), individuals may withdraw a lump sum from their retirement annuity fund if:

– They cease to be a tax resident; or
– They leave South Africa at the expiry of the work visa contemplated in the Immigration Act, 2002.

The change these regulations introduced then become effective from 1 March 2016.

Further to the above, it has been confirmed that in these particular circumstances, we are permitted to pay to your offs**** bank account providing it is in the parameter of allowed accounts, which is determined by the Bank and not STANLIB.

The administrator will be getting hold of you shortly.

Kind regards

Barbara Egan on behalf of the STANLIB team

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Istvan B's update13 Feb 2018, 22:48
Reviewer Update
Dear Barbara Egan, Thank you for the further research you and your team have done. Now after 6 months we finally seem to be on the same page. I look forward to hearing from your team concerning the details of the payout and about the conditions the receiving financial institution must meet. My newly appointed financial broker will be in touch with you with all relevant documents soon. I wish to revoke all previously given Power of Attorney agreement from my previous broker and his firm. Please refrain from dealing with them going forward. Yours, Istvan Brem
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STANLIB's reply14 Feb 2018, 10:22
Official

Dear Istvan Brem,

We have heeded your response and have terminated your present financial planner's services. We will send you confirmation of this.

Kind regards

Barbara Egan, on behalf of the STANLIB team.