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Stanley M
1 reviews | Active since Nov 2020
05 Nov 2020, 15:09
Outsurance uses ******* infromation to determine outcome of claim.
Outsurance declined my claim based on ******* infromation (blood alcohol toxicity results).
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Replies (9)OUTsurance's replyOfficial
06 Nov 2020, 14:20Good day Stanley,
Thank you for your feedback.
You are referring to a 2011 claim which our claims management team discussed the rejection in detail with you. We got your consent to view the examining doctors report, blood test results etc.
We firmly believe that your claim is not valid in terms of our agreement with you. We responded to your objections made to us and provided you with the information. We also confirm having advised you of your rights to approach the Ombudsman for Short Term Insurance.
Our decision remains unchanged.
Regards,
OUTsurance
Thank you for your feedback.
You are referring to a 2011 claim which our claims management team discussed the rejection in detail with you. We got your consent to view the examining doctors report, blood test results etc.
We firmly believe that your claim is not valid in terms of our agreement with you. We responded to your objections made to us and provided you with the information. We also confirm having advised you of your rights to approach the Ombudsman for Short Term Insurance.
Our decision remains unchanged.
Regards,
OUTsurance
OUTsurance's reply06 Nov 2020, 14:20
Official
Good day Stanley,
Thank you for your feedback.
You are referring to a 2011 claim which our claims management team discussed the rejection in detail with you. We got your consent to view the examining doctors report, blood test results etc.
We firmly believe that your claim is not valid in terms of our agreement with you. We responded to your objections made to us and provided you with the information. We also confirm having advised you of your rights to approach the Ombudsman for Short Term Insurance.
Our decision remains unchanged.
Regards,
OUTsurance
Thank you for your feedback.
You are referring to a 2011 claim which our claims management team discussed the rejection in detail with you. We got your consent to view the examining doctors report, blood test results etc.
We firmly believe that your claim is not valid in terms of our agreement with you. We responded to your objections made to us and provided you with the information. We also confirm having advised you of your rights to approach the Ombudsman for Short Term Insurance.
Our decision remains unchanged.
Regards,
OUTsurance
SM
Stanley M's updateReviewer Update
06 Nov 2020, 14:52To whom it may concern
I note the letter/response as an acknowledgement/admittance/acceptance from Outsurance that it is their practice to engage in ******ion from their clients pre, post and at present as a result of technicalities.
Whatever you have written still does not deem the blood results legal.
The question at hand is whether the blood results were legal or not.
They were not legal then and they are not legal to date. I am not a legal practitioner and yet I understand that part of this whole situation.
You guys have offices filled with legal practisioners who are employed to advise on such matters.
Kindly have a legal statement sent to me by one of them stating under oath that the blood results were legal. Be sure to include their names practice numbers and institutions they studied from.
How many more legal technicalities have you guys ignored or are in the process of ignoring with other so called clients at this point in time.
I did not have the energy and finances to entertain this back then, Outsurance knew this and they used it to their advantage and in the process missed a crutial technical point in the books.
This does not and will not end here.
I will wait for the letter as requested above.
Your Ex/Axe
Moshe Stanley Motube
I note the letter/response as an acknowledgement/admittance/acceptance from Outsurance that it is their practice to engage in ******ion from their clients pre, post and at present as a result of technicalities.
Whatever you have written still does not deem the blood results legal.
The question at hand is whether the blood results were legal or not.
They were not legal then and they are not legal to date. I am not a legal practitioner and yet I understand that part of this whole situation.
You guys have offices filled with legal practisioners who are employed to advise on such matters.
Kindly have a legal statement sent to me by one of them stating under oath that the blood results were legal. Be sure to include their names practice numbers and institutions they studied from.
How many more legal technicalities have you guys ignored or are in the process of ignoring with other so called clients at this point in time.
I did not have the energy and finances to entertain this back then, Outsurance knew this and they used it to their advantage and in the process missed a crutial technical point in the books.
This does not and will not end here.
I will wait for the letter as requested above.
Your Ex/Axe
Moshe Stanley Motube
SM
Stanley M's update06 Nov 2020, 14:52
Reviewer Update
To whom it may concern
I note the letter/response as an acknowledgement/admittance/acceptance from Outsurance that it is their practice to engage in ******ion from their clients pre, post and at present as a result of technicalities.
Whatever you have written still does not deem the blood results legal.
The question at hand is whether the blood results were legal or not.
They were not legal then and they are not legal to date. I am not a legal practitioner and yet I understand that part of this whole situation.
You guys have offices filled with legal practisioners who are employed to advise on such matters.
Kindly have a legal statement sent to me by one of them stating under oath that the blood results were legal. Be sure to include their names practice numbers and institutions they studied from.
How many more legal technicalities have you guys ignored or are in the process of ignoring with other so called clients at this point in time.
I did not have the energy and finances to entertain this back then, Outsurance knew this and they used it to their advantage and in the process missed a crutial technical point in the books.
This does not and will not end here.
I will wait for the letter as requested above.
Your Ex/Axe
Moshe Stanley Motube
I note the letter/response as an acknowledgement/admittance/acceptance from Outsurance that it is their practice to engage in ******ion from their clients pre, post and at present as a result of technicalities.
Whatever you have written still does not deem the blood results legal.
The question at hand is whether the blood results were legal or not.
They were not legal then and they are not legal to date. I am not a legal practitioner and yet I understand that part of this whole situation.
You guys have offices filled with legal practisioners who are employed to advise on such matters.
Kindly have a legal statement sent to me by one of them stating under oath that the blood results were legal. Be sure to include their names practice numbers and institutions they studied from.
How many more legal technicalities have you guys ignored or are in the process of ignoring with other so called clients at this point in time.
I did not have the energy and finances to entertain this back then, Outsurance knew this and they used it to their advantage and in the process missed a crutial technical point in the books.
This does not and will not end here.
I will wait for the letter as requested above.
Your Ex/Axe
Moshe Stanley Motube
OUTsurance's replyOfficial
06 Nov 2020, 15:11Good day Stanley,
In 2011 your partner gave authorisation for blood test to be taken, we weren't involved in that process.
You would need to take this matter up with your partner and legal team.
Regards,
OUTsurance
In 2011 your partner gave authorisation for blood test to be taken, we weren't involved in that process.
You would need to take this matter up with your partner and legal team.
Regards,
OUTsurance
OUTsurance's reply06 Nov 2020, 15:11
Official
Good day Stanley,
In 2011 your partner gave authorisation for blood test to be taken, we weren't involved in that process.
You would need to take this matter up with your partner and legal team.
Regards,
OUTsurance
In 2011 your partner gave authorisation for blood test to be taken, we weren't involved in that process.
You would need to take this matter up with your partner and legal team.
Regards,
OUTsurance
SM
Stanley M's updateReviewer Update
06 Nov 2020, 15:56Good day
Some more acceptance/admittance/acknowledgement that Outsurance knows that the blood results are *******.
My partner signed the document after being **** to by a health practisioner (a female Dr. Motara at the Fourways life hospital back then) that the blood results were routine and they require a signature. She was seven months pragnant (my partner) with our daughter. I was not at any time unconcoius to fill in and sign the consent form. She decided not let me know about the issue, even the more reason why they are *******. More unjust actions by somebody acting exactly the way Outsurance acted. She further released me after two and a half hours with a packet of paracetamol.
Health practisioner association of South Africa underway for her.
I am still waiting for you legal letter as stated in my last response.
Stanley
Some more acceptance/admittance/acknowledgement that Outsurance knows that the blood results are *******.
My partner signed the document after being **** to by a health practisioner (a female Dr. Motara at the Fourways life hospital back then) that the blood results were routine and they require a signature. She was seven months pragnant (my partner) with our daughter. I was not at any time unconcoius to fill in and sign the consent form. She decided not let me know about the issue, even the more reason why they are *******. More unjust actions by somebody acting exactly the way Outsurance acted. She further released me after two and a half hours with a packet of paracetamol.
Health practisioner association of South Africa underway for her.
I am still waiting for you legal letter as stated in my last response.
Stanley
SM
Stanley M's update06 Nov 2020, 15:56
Reviewer Update
Good day
Some more acceptance/admittance/acknowledgement that Outsurance knows that the blood results are *******.
My partner signed the document after being **** to by a health practisioner (a female Dr. Motara at the Fourways life hospital back then) that the blood results were routine and they require a signature. She was seven months pragnant (my partner) with our daughter. I was not at any time unconcoius to fill in and sign the consent form. She decided not let me know about the issue, even the more reason why they are *******. More unjust actions by somebody acting exactly the way Outsurance acted. She further released me after two and a half hours with a packet of paracetamol.
Health practisioner association of South Africa underway for her.
I am still waiting for you legal letter as stated in my last response.
Stanley
Some more acceptance/admittance/acknowledgement that Outsurance knows that the blood results are *******.
My partner signed the document after being **** to by a health practisioner (a female Dr. Motara at the Fourways life hospital back then) that the blood results were routine and they require a signature. She was seven months pragnant (my partner) with our daughter. I was not at any time unconcoius to fill in and sign the consent form. She decided not let me know about the issue, even the more reason why they are *******. More unjust actions by somebody acting exactly the way Outsurance acted. She further released me after two and a half hours with a packet of paracetamol.
Health practisioner association of South Africa underway for her.
I am still waiting for you legal letter as stated in my last response.
Stanley
OUTsurance's replyOfficial
06 Nov 2020, 16:01We discussed the claim in detail with you in 2011 and provided you with all the information.
For any further information please seek legal counsel.
Regards,
OUTsurance
For any further information please seek legal counsel.
Regards,
OUTsurance
OUTsurance's reply06 Nov 2020, 16:01
Official
We discussed the claim in detail with you in 2011 and provided you with all the information.
For any further information please seek legal counsel.
Regards,
OUTsurance
For any further information please seek legal counsel.
Regards,
OUTsurance
SM
Stanley M's updateReviewer Update
06 Nov 2020, 16:47You have just summarized that you acknowledge/accept/admitted that you know that what you did was ******* and the only way you are going to resolve it is in a legal preceding.
How many more South Africans had to go through that with Outsurance.
I am still waiting for the letter.
How many more South Africans had to go through that with Outsurance.
I am still waiting for the letter.
SM
Stanley M's update06 Nov 2020, 16:47
Reviewer Update
You have just summarized that you acknowledge/accept/admitted that you know that what you did was ******* and the only way you are going to resolve it is in a legal preceding.
How many more South Africans had to go through that with Outsurance.
I am still waiting for the letter.
How many more South Africans had to go through that with Outsurance.
I am still waiting for the letter.
SM
Stanley M's updateReviewer Update
07 Nov 2020, 08:27I have decided to take your advise and seek legal counseling.
Please send me the letter I requested yesterday for me to attach to my documents for the Condemnation application.
If you win, you get to keep my premiums and the settlement and your cunning ways.
If I win, you pay me 20 million Rands because you advised me to seek legal counsel.
Please send me the letter I requested yesterday for me to attach to my documents for the Condemnation application.
If you win, you get to keep my premiums and the settlement and your cunning ways.
If I win, you pay me 20 million Rands because you advised me to seek legal counsel.
SM
Stanley M's update07 Nov 2020, 08:27
Reviewer Update
I have decided to take your advise and seek legal counseling.
Please send me the letter I requested yesterday for me to attach to my documents for the Condemnation application.
If you win, you get to keep my premiums and the settlement and your cunning ways.
If I win, you pay me 20 million Rands because you advised me to seek legal counsel.
Please send me the letter I requested yesterday for me to attach to my documents for the Condemnation application.
If you win, you get to keep my premiums and the settlement and your cunning ways.
If I win, you pay me 20 million Rands because you advised me to seek legal counsel.
OUTsurance's replyOfficial
09 Nov 2020, 08:38Please refer to the reasonable request letter which you signed in 2011.
This matter is closed on our side.
Regards,
OUTsurance
This matter is closed on our side.
Regards,
OUTsurance
OUTsurance's reply09 Nov 2020, 08:38
Official
Please refer to the reasonable request letter which you signed in 2011.
This matter is closed on our side.
Regards,
OUTsurance
This matter is closed on our side.
Regards,
OUTsurance
SM
Stanley M's updateReviewer Update
09 Nov 2020, 09:46The reasonable request letter was a threat from Outsurance at the time. You were not interested in doing the right thing at all.
SM
Stanley M's update09 Nov 2020, 09:46
Reviewer Update
The reasonable request letter was a threat from Outsurance at the time. You were not interested in doing the right thing at all.
