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14 Jan 2020, 09:58

Lies / No feedback / System errors / Increasing arrear acounts.

Below is a clear indication of how Debt rescue performs business.

17 months later and no clear feedback on a way forward

Mail received from DR 5-12-2019 regarding complaints from "Qc department below". in Brackets complaint lodge previously on Hello peter

Mail rep**** by me 5-12-2019 no feedback since.

"You have been making partial payments on your monthly debt review premium during the year 2018".

– Firstly, I made my calculations and spreadsheet now, May/Jun 2018 I note that the debit order was set by DR for R18928.88, which is R1327.86 less than usual and in August/Sep R18928.88 again R1327.86 less, but both months small discrepancies and or different amounts for all creditors, why is this? Why are amounts for all creditors different than before? VW in total paid R840.70 less in the 2 months and Standard bank R1028.43. This is the only 2 month’s that Debt Rescue changed the Debit orders, why was the amounts changed?. And 17 months later I have accumulative R46000 in arrear penalties??? Because of R1869.13 between the 2 accounts, which I was never informed about. From inception everything was paid via DEBIT ORDER, this debit order was set up by Debt Rescue from the start, I did not change or alter any amounts so please do explain how I can be making partial payments, as HYPHEN is paid via Debit order each month, my understanding is that this is why I am paying Debt Rescue R460 a month to maintain my profile and assist me. So why were these 2 months paid less? I am sure if I was notified I could have paid the R1869.13 as per my calculations, but once again, a Debit order was set up by Debt rescue, not me. If the HYPHEN statement indicates the expected amount and the actual amount to be the same how should I know there is a problem as DR maintains my profile or at least should maintain it. When I was told by the Debt rescue operator / Supervisor that the system had an issue with Dec / Jan payments CONFIRMED by DR I wasn’t even informed about any short payments on my end, why is this mentioned now 17 Months later?

"On the December 2018 and January 2019 Standard bank received a monthly distribution of an amount of R12542.44 and the Wesbank account..0687 received no payments due to system error for a duration of 2 months. However For the month of March and April 2019 Standard bank account received an distribution of R3456.44 for each month. Wesbank account..0687 received an amount of R11128.25 for two months to catch up the missed payments caused by system error. Provisions were made and the error was succesfully rectified."

– Why was this error made anyway? Then I want to ask if this could have been the same error that caused the debit order to be set up incorrectly in May and August 2018, or as per your system June and September?

"Upon rectifying the above we engaged with both involved parties to reinstate the accounts, the creditors confirmed and acknowledged that the payments were allocated accordingly, however, the accounts are still in arrears caused by partial payments that were made in June, September 2018. We have further noted that you have requested that reduction of premium during the period you made partial payment and you were advised of the risks of defaulting court order arrangements. "

– please, can I see proof of this and when this was approved by both Standard bank and VW because I was told before everything was resolved and it was not? Also, nothing came of the reduction request as I did not have funds for attorneys etc. please check your system and you will see that I have not sent any documents back to DR. Please don’t imply that because I asked if the process was possible to reduce payments, because of this request I made short payments. Again DR handled AND SETUP the DEBIT ORDER, as per statement above regarding the HYPHEN consumer statement.

"We kindly request that you contact the creditor directly to make payment arrangements to settle the arrears in order to avoid further legal action."

– You request me? I repeat myself, why am I paying debt rescue R460 a month? So I pay you for me to resolve issues with my creditors, issues that only Debt rescue created.

I was **** to from the beginning, "Sir you don’t talk to any creditors we resolve the problems"…lies. I am disgusted, to say the least, I am physically so tired and stressed because of this I am not getting assistance from a company who will not admit that this issue was created by their system, both, short payments because of debit order not loaded correctly and inconsistent payments. I have no words. These arrears amounts are ever-increasing with penalties/interest, the longer DR takes the more this becomes, and I will not take responsibility for this.

And the final nail to indicate your system messed up my profile, as per letter send to DR on 7-12-2019 taking into consideration the situation currently, I had to point out to DR again that my home loan with Standard bank was loaded for distribution incorrectly for December 2019... Less by -R3.29... Now I have to ask, will DR in a year from now accuse me again of short payments?? Again not my fault. Why do I have to constantly review if everything is in order, why all these system errors? and once again why am I paying R460 a month?

I Followed up on the mail 16-12-2019 with no feedback since from DR.

Called DR 8-1-2020 spoke to debits who could not assist, transferred to inquiries who answered 12 minutes later, spoke to Refilwe 8-1-2020, promised I will be called back within 48 hours.

10-1-2020 14:15 no one has called.

13-1-2020 14:27 – no one has called.

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Replies (3)
Debt Rescue
Debt Rescue's reply14 Jan 2020, 10:05
Official
Good day,

Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and affording us the opportunity to assist.

It is never our intention to cause you any frustration.

One of our Complaints Resolution Consultant will investigate the matter at hand and avail you with feedback to your provided contact details.

Regards,

Debt Rescue Team.
's update20 Jan 2020, 14:51
Reviewer Update
20-1-2020 no calls received, had to call DR again, once again someone will call me back. This is absolutely ridiculous.
's update31 Jan 2020, 14:03
Reviewer Update
Regarding partial payments and arrears as insinuated by DR, On further investigation, this is definitely not why my accounts are in arrears as even Standard bank statement dated 1-3-2019 received via mail indicates no arrears on my accounts, this means that all these arrears could not have been due to those short payments as you are implying in 2018, it is due to the fact that short payments were made in 2019 which was your system errors, so do not blame this on short payments before these dates, I Repeat Both HYPHEN and STANDARD BANK statements all do show NO arrears from 2018 to March 2019. This arrears amounts was because of the short payments made by DR in FEB/ MARCH 2019 for R3456.4 per month(Home loan) check your system the same system that one of your Supervisor confirmed on recording and also per mails and also by Yourself as per conversation / mails 20 Jan 2020 that there clearly was an issue on DR system. Hyphen statements to date indicate no Arrears on any accounts, none, Standard bank do indicate R7482 arrears on Statement dated 27-5-2019 only, that is the first time ever. Now due to the fact that I have contacted DR numerous times, was told this was resolved as per statements below that the discrepancies were paid up in full and rectified with the parties, how can there be arrear amounts then??? Either DR is lying about it being rectified and both SB and VW are satisfied or SB is raising arrear penalties and attorney fees and extending my term for nothing, or to bully me into selling my home??? I have just ended a 29-minute call with Standard bank, Speaking to a direct agent who is trying to assist and is exceptional in his work to mention it. During the call he put us through to different departments within SB as a conference call, the first department could not assist but Finally, Legal department confirmed that my home loan account 100% is not under debt review anymore since November 2019, Debt rescue was lying once again, Now please do answer me, if this account is removed from debt review, then why is the debit order still loaded as such to be paid by HYPHEN, the installment to DR of R460 a month should legally be reduced then as the R8049 should be removed from my debt review structure. Leaving me with an installment of R9380.71, not R17430.91. I need feedback on this? To make it very clear, I have just been explained the new terms by Standard bank, the attached auto rebate has changed again because this is not getting resolved.! See attached rebate please and new terms below. Firstly please do note that this coming July, I would have paid of my home for 10 years (120 months) I went under debt review November 2017 which means for 8 Years before DR I have paid roughly R 764 400 to SB then under DR I paid roughly R 221 200. Which is a total of R 985 600 to date, keep this total in mind, please. New terms Standard bank over and above the R 985 600 already paid: Option A: From today forward - 26 years ( 312 Months) at R 7925.60 a month = R 2 472 787.20 Total R 3 458 387.20 Or Option B: From today forward - 17 years ( 204 months) at R 11375 a month = R 2 320 500 Total R 3 306 100. To make this simple,: for an R780 000 rand initial bond home and if all other factors remained the same and DR did not mess up payments I would have paid off my home as per DR cascade on 31-12-2026. R 985 600 already paid on bond to date plus R 1 040 527.79(Total payments under DR) = R 2 026127.79 (Paid off December 2026) Difference with new terms: Option A: R 1 432 259.41 Penalty and settled only February 2046 total term from 2010 bond registration 114 months + 312 months = 426 month total term. Option B: R 1 279 972 Penalty and only settled February 2037 total term from 2010 bond registration 114 months + 204 months = 318 month total term. THIS IS WHAT Debt Rescue MISTAKE IS GOING TO COST ME TO KEEP MY HOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How can I be held responsible for something that clearly wasn’t because of “SHORT” payments in 2018 as stated? I highlighted this issue to DR with numerous phone calls and emails in hand as proof, but this was not resolved as promised, I will not be held responsible for this arrear and legal penalties, extended terms, etc. I am very and truly upset after speaking to a direct counselor on the 21st of January being promised concrete feedback the next morning and nothing, it has been 10 days again. After being told by a receptionist that this counselor is the best DR has to offer. Please do note that because I am not getting any feedback for something that has been ongoing for over a year now and these ridiculous penalties, I have no choice but to seek legal assistance who will approach your company, I will communicate all this proof, statements, etc. with them, I have also approached ombudsman, even if it takes a year to get the process started as per their feedback that is also acceptable. Debt review as explained with application in 2017 and advertised by your company was to aid me in keeping my property and give me peace of mind. *****, Debt rescue will be solely responsible for me eventually losing my home or selling it to get out of this ridiculous new terms. Please do let me know how I can proceed to remove myself from the debt review with Debt rescue.